New Climategate Emails Released

23 Nov


A few gems I’ve spotted while trawling the emails in last couple hours (my emphasis added) –


from: PÂl Svensson <>
to: “Keith Briffa” <>

My feeling is that the greatest contributor to worldwide temperature changes is the variation in solar influx on earth.



from: Robert Nicholls <>

… an implicit message of Table 2 is that adaptation could handle climate change alone (the -15% option), so why are we worrying about mitigation? I think that this will be noted by many readers and it would be best if the piece had an explicit view on this, or delete the -15% option.



from: Simon Tett <>
to: AndrÈ Berger <>

I asked the UK policy people in Defra what they thought! Their view is that as we are not likely to head into an ice age soon it is not something they consider very important.

Do you think we will be going into an ice age quickly in the next 100 years or so ? (or even 1000 years).


Most interesting, given the the 2010 Bilderberg Group meeting had global cooling on its agenda for discussion:

The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 – 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations.

Back to the emails:

(Referencing the IPCC chapter review process)


date: Fri Jan 14 11:15:38 2005
from: Phil Jones <>
to: Ricardo <>

Thanks for the update on CC. The zeroth-order draft won’t be available for general review. The first order draft will in the late summer. However, is you email me in 3-4 weeks time, I’ll see if I have a can send you anything.


Compare the document included in this Climategate2 email release, IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Working Group One, Chapter 10: Global Climate Projections, a “welcome” letter to its lead authors, dated August 18 2004:

Dear IPCC AR4 Chapter 10 lead authors,

The Coordinating Lead Authors (CLAs) of Chapter 10, Jerry Meehl and Thomas Stocker, welcome you to the IPCC process as lead authors (LAs) of Chapter 10!  This email serves to formally initiate the process, to give you updates on current status, and provide more information regarding what is going to be expected of you and when various activities will occur.

The roadmap to publication of AR4 in 2007

After Trieste, we will commence writing what is known as the “zero order draft”.  This is due to be submitted to the WGI TSU by mid-January, 2005.

The zero order draft will be read by “friendly reviewers” chosen by us



For those questioning if these emails (see below) are real, this from

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up be Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.


Cue theme from The Twilight Zone.

Barely 24 hours ago, in response to weekend news stories that Prince Philip had bollocked wind farms as “useless”, and that the latest IPCC report had begun to gently cast some doubt on its own core tenets, I posted the following in “An Ill Wind Blows For Wind Farms”:

Your humble blogger warns AGW-sceptic readers not to be naïve.

We are being “played”.

The eco-elite are not “waking up”.

They are not trying to slowly and gently “weasel out” of their long-held pro-AGW position.

Far more likely, is that they are deliberately sowing the seeds of confusion.

With the result? Anger and distrust.

Want to rule the world?

Want the peoples of the world to willingly and happily abandon the idea of national governance, and embrace the idea of supranational (ie, World) Government?

This is how to do it.

A carefully planned, far-sighted program of dividing the people’s of the world into For and Against the green religion.

Create lots … and lots … and LOTS … of fear.

(Throw in “terrorism”, “flu” outbreaks, a few wars, and a global financial crisis or two for good measure)

Get the national governments’ politicians on board the Great Global Warming Hoax.

Then … begin to pull the intellectual rug out from under them. All of them. Our leaders. Our authorities. Our “experts”. Our (more or less) trusted, familiar institutions.

(Recall the ClimateGate email “hack”, pre-Copenhagen)

Slowly but surely leaving the masses confused, angry, strongly distrusting of all “sides” in their national governments … and looking for a Saviour.

This morning (just after midnight, AEDT) it was brought to my notice (h/t Twitter follower AxeCO2Tax ) that there has just been a new release of Climategate emails, announced via The Air Vent:

It happened again.  I woke up to find a link from on a thread.   Thousands of emails unlocked with 220,000 more hidden behind a password.  Despite the smaller size of the Air Vent due to my lack of time, there were twenty five downloads before I saw it once.  As before, there are some  very nice quotes and clarifications from the consensus.  Below is a guest post in the form of a readme file from the group. – Jeff

Doubtless hundreds around the world are already trawling through the emails and documents. And no doubt lots of interesting (ie, damaging) info will already be available by the time you rise this morning.

Since the joy of slumber is calling me too, following is a cut ‘n paste of the ReadMe.txt file accompanying the 176Mb zip file download (allegedly virus checked by several), to whet your appetite (bold added):

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such as…

/// The IPCC Process ///


Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary […]


I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.


It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much talking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by a select core group.


Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive […] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC […]


The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what’s included and what is left out.


I agree w/ Susan [Solomon] that we should try to put more in the bullet about “Subsequent evidence” […] Need to convince readers that there really has been an increase in knowledge – more evidence. What is it?


In my [IPCC-TAR] review […] I crit[i]cized […] the Mann hockey[s]tick […] My review was classified “unsignificant” even I inquired several times. Now the internationally well known newspaper SPIEGEL got the information about these early statements because I expressed my opinion in several talks, mainly in Germany, in 2002 and 2003. I just refused to give an exclusive interview to SPIEGEL because I will not cause damage for climate science.


Hence the AR4 Section dismissal of the ACRIM composite to be instrumental rather than solar in origin is a bit controversial. Similarly IPCC in their discussion on solar RF since the Maunder Minimum are very dependent on the paper by Wang et al (which I have been unable to access) in the decision to reduce the solar RF significantly despite the many papers to the contrary in the ISSI workshop. All this leaves the IPCC almost entirely dependent on CO2 for the explanation of current global temperatures as in Fig 2.23. since methane CFCs and aerosols are not increasing.


I find myself in the strange position of being very skeptical of the quality of all present reconstructions, yet sounding like a pro greenhouse zealot here!


I too don’t see why the schemes should be symmetrical. The temperature ones certainly will not as we’re choosing the periods to show warming.


[…] opposing some things said by people like Chris Landsea who has said all the stuff going on is natural variability. In addition to the 4 hurricanes hitting Florida, there has been a record number hit Japan 10?? and I saw a report saying Japanese scientists had linked this to global warming. […] I am leaning toward the idea of getting a box on changes in hurricanes, perhaps written by a Japanese.


We can put a note in that something will be there in the next draft, or Kevin or I will write something – it depends on whether and what we get from Japan.


Kevin, Seems that this potential Nature paper may be worth citing, if it does say that GW is having an effect on TC activity.


Getting people we know and trust [into IPCC] is vital – hence my comment about the tornadoes group.


Useful ones [for IPCC] might be Baldwin, Benestad (written on the solar/cloud issue – on the right side, i.e anti-Svensmark), Bohm, Brown, Christy (will be have to involve him ?)


My most immediate concern is to whether to leave this statement [“probably the warmest of the last millennium”] in or whether I should remove it in the anticipation that by the time of the 4th Assessment Report we’ll have withdrawn this statement – Chris Folland at least seems to think this is possible.

/// Communicating Climate Change ///


I can’t overstate the HUGE amount of political interest in the project as a message that the Government can give on climate change to help them tell their story. They want the story to be a very strong one and don’t want to be made to look foolish.

Fox/Environment Agency:

if we loose the chance to make climate change a reality to people in the regions we will have missed a major trick in REGIS.


Somehow we have to leave the[m] thinking OK, climate change is extremely complicated, BUT I accept the dominant view that people are affecting it, and that impacts produces risk that needs careful and urgent attention.


I agree with the importance of extreme events as foci for public and governmental opinion […] ‘climate change’ needs to be present in people’s daily lives. They should be reminded that it is a continuously occurring and evolving phenomenon


We don’t really want the bullshit and optimistic stuff that Michael has written […] We’ll have to cut out some of his stuff.


the important thing is to make sure they’re loosing the PR battle. That’s what the site [Real Climate] is about.


Having established scale and urgency, the political challenge is then to turn this from an argument about the cost of cutting emissions – bad politics – to one about the value of a stable climate – much better politics. […] the most valuable thing to do is to tell the story about abrupt change as vividly as possible


the current commitments, even with some strengthening, are little different from what would have happened without a climate treaty. […] the way to pitch the analysis is to argue that precautionary action must be taken now to protect reserves etc against the inevitable


we as an NGO working on climate policy need such a document pretty soon for the public and for informed decision makers in order to get a) a debate started and b) in order to get into the media the context between climate extremes/desasters/costs and finally the link between weather extremes and energy


[…] idea of looking at the implications of climate change for what he termed “global icons” […] One of these suggested icons was the Great Barrier Reef […] It also became apparent that there was always a local “reason” for the destruction – cyclones, starfish, fertilizers […] A perception of an “unchanging” environment leads people to generate local explanations for coral loss based on transient phenomena, while not acknowledging the possibility of systematic damage from long-term climatic/environmental change […] Such a project could do a lot to raise awareness of threats to the reef from climate change

Minns/Tyndall Centre:

In my experience, global warming freezing is already a bit of a public relations problem with the media


I agree with Nick that climate change might be a better labelling than global warming


What kind of circulation change could lock Europe into deadly summer heat waves like that of last summer? That’s the sort of thing we need to think about.

/// The Medieval Warm Period ///


But it will be very difficult to make the MWP go away in Greenland.


You chose to depict the one based on C14 solar data, which kind of stands out in Medieval times. It would be much nicer to show the version driven by Be10 solar forcing


A growing body of evidence clearly shows [2008] that hydroclimatic variability during the putative MWP (more appropriately and inclusively called the “Medieval Climate Anomaly” or MCA period) was more regionally extreme (mainly in terms of the frequency and duration of megadroughts) than anything we have seen in the 20th century, except perhaps for the Sahel. So in certain ways the MCA period may have been more climatically extreme than in modern times.

/// The Settled Science ///


The results for 400 ppm stabilization look odd in many cases […] As it stands we’ll have to delete the results from the paper if it is to be published.


[2007] What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably […]


Although I agree that GHGs are important in the 19th/20th century (especially since the 1970s), if the weighting of solar forcing was stronger in the models, surely this would diminish the significance of GHGs. […] it seems to me that by weighting the solar irradiance more strongly in the models, then much of the 19th to mid 20th century warming can be explained from the sun alone.


If the tropical near surface specific humidity over tropical land has not gone up (Fig 5) presumably that could explain why the expected amplification of the warming in the tropics with height has not really been detected.


would you agree that there is no convincing evidence for kilimanjaro glacier melt being due to recent warming (let alone man-made warming)?


[tropical glaciers] There is a small problem though with their retreat. They have retreated a lot in the last 20 years yet the MSU2LT data would suggest that temperatures haven’t increased at these levels.


There shouldn’t be someone else at UEA with different views [from “recent extreme weather is due to global warming”] – at least not a climatologist.


I am not convinced that the “truth” is always worth reaching if it is at the cost of damaged personal relationships


Also there is much published evidence for Europe (and France in particular) of increasing net primary productivity in natural and managed woodlands that may be associated either with nitrogen or increasing CO2 or both. Contrast this with the still controversial question of large-scale acid-rain-related forest decline? To what extent is this issue now generally considered urgent, or even real?


Phil, thanks for your thoughts – guarantee there will be no dirty laundry in the open.


He’s skeptical that the warming is as great as we show in East Antarctica — he thinks the “right” answer is more like our detrended results in the supplementary text. I cannot argue he is wrong.


This will reduce the 1940-1970 cooling in NH temps. Explaining the cooling with sulphates won’t be quite as necessary.


It is interesting to see the lower tropospheric warming minimum in the tropics in all three plots, which I cannot explain. I believe it is spurious but it is remarkably robust against my adjustment efforts.


Does anybody have an explanation why there is a relative minimum (and some negative trends) between 500 and 700 hPa? No models with significant surface warming do this


This is an excellent idea, Mike, IN PRINCIPLE at least. In practise, however, it raises some interesting results […] the analysis will not likely lie near to the middle of the cloud of published series and explaining the reasons behindthis etc. will obscure the message of a short EOS piece.

Norwegian Meteorological Institute:

In Norway and Spitsbergen, it is possible to explain most of the warming after the 1960s by changes in the atmospheric circulation. The warming prior to 1940 cannot be explained in this way.

/// The Urban Heat Effect ///


By coincidence I also got recently a paper from Rob which says “London’s UHI has indeed become more intense since the 1960s esp during spring and summer”.


I think the urban-related warming should be smaller than this, but I can’t think of a good way to argue this. I am hopeful of finding something in the data that makes by their Figure 3.


[…] we found the [urban warming] effect is pretty big in the areas we analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. […] We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.


there are some nitpicky jerks who have criticized the Jones et al. data sets — we don’t want one of those [EPRI/California Energy Commission meeting].


The jerk you mention was called Good(e)rich who found urban warming at all Californian sites.


I think China is one of the few places that are affected [urban heat]. The paper shows that London and Vienna (and also New York) are not affected in the
20th century.


[…] every effort has been made to use data that are either rural and/or where the urbanization effect has been removed as well as possible by statistical means. There are 3 groups that have done this independently (CRU, NOAA and GISS), and they end up with essentially the same results. […] Furthermore, the oceans have warmed at a rate consistent with the land. There is no urban effect there.

/// Temperature Reconstructions ///


any method that incorporates all forms of uncertainty and error will undoubtedly result in reconstructions with wider error bars than we currently have. These many be more honest, but may not be too helpful for model comparison attribution studies. We need to be careful with the wording I think.


what he [Zwiers] has done comes to a different conclusion than Caspar and Gene! I reckon this can be saved by careful wording.


Is the PCA approach robust? Are the results statistically significant? It seems to me that in the case of MBH the answer in each is no


I thought I’d play around with some randomly generated time-series and see if I could ‘reconstruct’ northern hemisphere temperatures. […] The reconstructions clearly show a ‘hockey-stick’ trend. I guess this is precisely the phenomenon that Macintyre has been going on about.


I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year “reconstruction”.


Because how can we be critical of Crowley for throwing out 40-years in the middle of his calibration, when we’re throwing out all post-1960 data ‘cos the MXD has a non-temperature signal in it, and also all pre-1881 or pre-1871 data ‘cos the temperature data may have a non-temperature signal in it!


Now, you Keith complain about the way we introduced our result, while saying it is an important one. […] the IPCC curve needs to be improved according to missing long-term declining trends/signals, which were removed (by dendrochronologists!) before Mann merged the local records together. So, why don’t you want to let the result into science?


I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly can not be defended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the science move ahead.


One problem is that he [Mann] will be using the RegEM method, which provides no better diagnostics (e.g. betas) than his original method. So we will still not know where his estimates are coming from.

/// Science and Religion ///


I heard that Zichichi has links with the Vatican. A number of other greenhouse skeptics have extreme religious views.

Houghton [MetO, IPCC co-chair]

[…] we dont take seriously enough our God-given responsibility to care for the Earth […] 500 million people are expected to watch The Day After Tomorrow. We must pray that they pick up that message.

TBI – Don’t ever doubt again that movies, TV, “entertainment”, are all used for mass perception management (propaganda). Please review my post this past Sunday, “A Day Of Rest For Your Mind”:


My work is as Director of the national centre for climate change research, a job which requires me to translate my Christian belief about stewardship of God’s planet into research and action.


He [another Met scientist] is a Christian and would talk authoritatively about the state of climate science from the sort of standpoint you are wanting.

/// Climate Models ///


I’d agree probably 10 years away to go from weather forecasting to ~ annual scale. But the “big climate picture” includes ocean feedbacks on all time scales, carbon and other elemental cycles, etc. and it has to be several decades before that is sorted out I would think. So I would guess that it will not be models or theory, but observation that will provide the answer to the question of how the climate will change in many decades time.


[“Future of the IPCC”, 2008] It is inconceivable that policymakers will be willing to make billion-and trillion-dollar decisions for adaptation to the projected regional climate change based on models that do not even describe and simulate the processes that are the building blocks of climate variability.


While perhaps one could designate some subset of models as being poorer in a lot of areas, there probably never will be a single universally superior model or set of models. We should keep in mind that the climate system is complex, so that it is difficult, if not impossible to define a metric that captures the breath of physical processes relevant to even a narrow area of focus.


there is no individual model that does well in all of the SST and water vapor tests we’ve applied.


[IPCC AR5 models] clearly, some tuning or very good luck involved. I doubt the modeling world will be able to get away with this much longer


[IPCC AR5 models]
So using the 20th c for tuning is just doing what some people have long suspected us of doing […] and what the nonpublished diagram from NCAR showing correlation between aerosol forcing and sensitivity also suggested.


Basic problem is that all models are wrong – not got enough middle and low level clouds.


GKSS is just one model and it is a model, so there is no need for it to be correct.

/// The Cause ///


By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.


They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a bit.


I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s doing, but its not helping the cause


Many thanks for your paper and congratulations for reviving the global warming.


[on temperature data adjustments] Upshot is that their trend will increase


[to Hansen] Keep up the good work! […] Even though it’s been a mild winter in the UK, much of the rest of the world seems coolish – expected though given the La Nina. Roll on the next El Nino!


Even though I am virtually certain we shall lose on McCain-Lieberman, they are forcing Senators to go on record for for against sensible climate policy

/// Freedom of Information ///


I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process


UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC task.


Keith and I have just searched through our emails for anything containing “David Holland”. Everything we found was cc’d to you and/or Dave Palmer, which you’ll already have.

McGarvie/UEA Director of Faculty Administration:

As we are testing EIR with the other climate audit org request relating to communications with other academic colleagues, I think that we would weaken that case if we supplied the information in this case. So I would suggest that we decline this one (at the very end of the time period)


[FOI, temperature data] Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder (US Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.

Don’t forget what I wrote barely 24 hours ago.

Do not be naïve.

As exciting and pleasing as these damning new revelations are (if you’re an AGW sceptic) … remain sceptical.

Very sceptical.

Watch for a marked increase in those sentiments and attitudes that I intimated would occur in the broader community (especially amongst the vast masses of “believers”) as a result of the Great Global Warming Hoax (conveniently?) having the rug pulled out from under it.



(Even greater) Distrust.

Directed towards our politicians, our institutions, our “experts”, our system of governance.

If we see that occurring, then be forewarned.

The collapse of the Global Warming Hoax may well turn out to be a pyrrhic victory.


14 Responses to “New Climategate Emails Released”

  1. Oliver K. Manuel November 23, 2011 at 5:20 am #

    Thanks for your insights on a seemingly endless maze of deception and manipulation.

    I have not figured it all out, but this Thanksgiving I will be grateful for encouraging indications that astronomy, astrophysics, climatology, cosmology, nuclear, particle, solar and space sciences may finally escape from four decades (1971-2011) of distortion in favor of AGW dogma of Earth’s climate and SSM dogma of Earth’s heat source – the Sun.


    1. These slides of a recent talk by solar physicist, Dr. Pal Brekke, author of a forthcoming book – “Our Explosive Sun”,

    2. The National Geographic article by Curt Suplee, “Living with the Stormy Star.”

    3. Prince Philip’s awakening

    4. Deep roots of the global climate scandal (1971-2011)

  2. Tomorrows Serf November 23, 2011 at 7:45 am #

    I feel compelled to comment, but, what more is there really to say??

    I still have a sister who insists “that we have to do something” (how many times have I heard that one) and a close friend with a Phd in Biology who rolls her eyes at the thought that I “don’t believe in Global Warming” (praise the climate gods!)

    “The Powers That Be” could get the sheeple to believe that night is day and that water is dry…

    • Twodogs November 23, 2011 at 9:42 am #

      “Dry water”. You could market that. “just add water”!

  3. Twodogs November 23, 2011 at 9:19 am #

    I just posted yesterday how conditions were ripening for emergence of the next Hitler. If I was a conspiracist, I would say that such a person is already in our midst and has even been “chosen” for greatness. Who has been busy placing leaders into democratic countries recently? Hmmm. Be on the lookout for a charismatic new force somewhere soon.

    • The Blissful Ignoramus November 23, 2011 at 9:41 am #


      • Twodogs November 23, 2011 at 10:34 am #

        Eve worse, a Hitler that isn’t planned, and no one sees coming. A patriotic German vowing to stop supporting its lazy neighbors? Renewed nationalism in favour of leaving the EU and belligerence to neighbors? A brilliant young Chinese vowing to eliminate corruption and restore pride in Chinese re-emergence? Bob Brown leading a one world government? Bob Brown, you wish!

        The would-be world leaders risk being too clever by half.

        • The Blissful Ignoramus November 23, 2011 at 10:48 am #

          I very highly doubt that such a person would be any of the obvious aspirants, Twodogs. And I suspect that we are still some ways away from one (One?) emerging. Nationalism appears to me to be the rising sentiment (as usual) in response to global turmoil.

          Still not enough confusion, doubt, anger, mistrust, division … and (worst of all) widespread and genuine suffering, to really break the masses’ spirit (esp. that tendency to nationalism in times of crisis). That’s why rumblings of “hot” conflict (viz. Iran, Pakistan, North Korea et al) should be of greater concern than usual.

          • Twodogs November 23, 2011 at 12:34 pm #

            I agree, but maybe I wasn’t clear. Control is illusory as those who have it tend to have too much faith in it. Their limitations only become obvious when it begins to unravel or things take unexpected turns. This applies to potential conflicts, as those who may have agendas are likely to think they can control outcomes, but they often can’t. Iraq and Afghanistan are testament to this.

            • The Blissful Ignoramus November 23, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

              Agree completely Twodogs. Hence my comment doubting the viability (candidacy?) of the obvious aspirants.

  4. Twodogs November 23, 2011 at 2:04 pm #

    Those “inquiries” sound like the making of a Monty Python skit.

    John Cleese walks into UEA office, slams a dead parrot on the desk and yells “what this i hear about conspiratorial emails emanating from your university?”

    Eric Idle peruses a sexy scientific mag vertically with his feet on the desk , looks up and replies “it’s nothing, really”.

    John Cleese raises the parrot over his shoulder and states “right, I’ll be off then!”.

    Case closed.

  5. JMD November 23, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    Not trying to push Andrew Bolt’s blog, since I’m not big on his politics but there is a rather amusing bit of audio entitled ‘Hadley vs Flannery’ which is worth a listen.

  6. rogueoperator November 24, 2011 at 2:08 am #

    Supplementary coverage, with those of a mind to read some more commentary on this matter:

    Obviously, the above column is longer, but I didn’t want to pile on too much. It appears like many are all over this subject.

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